00:19:18 Ozlem Kaleli: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Helen_Payne 00:21:03 Ozlem Kaleli: http://researchprofiles.herts.ac.uk/portal/en/persons/helen-payne(6f513b38-eca7-4e71-8481-efd23e826ad7).html 00:27:49 Julian Jaffe: amazing - the GPs seem to be oblivious to this 00:27:50 Fiona: these are the percent of people who present symptoms that cannot be definitively diagnosed?? 00:29:17 Julian Jaffe: alos the attitude of the professionals is often scathing 00:29:52 Janine Greenhow: For those who are unsure GP is the doctor 00:30:05 Signe: Hospital visits also take a lot of energy 00:30:08 Melissa Chiew: GPs are not trained in embodiment. They are trained to give out medication 00:30:12 Fiona: I often see people in my clinical practice (Therapeutic Thai massage & Myofascial Release) who are in this situation. 00:30:16 sam: Conspiracy against bodily awareness; I choose not to participate. 00:31:43 Janine Greenhow: I think I may have to train GPs 00:32:31 Maria Mountain: What does TBMA mean? 00:32:42 Corina: to say that hospital visits are expensive in the UK because of £3 parking is a good reminder of how privileged we are to have universal healthcare :) 00:33:36 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: TBMA - The BodyMind Approach (I guess) 00:34:11 Maria Mountain: Makes sense thanks! 00:34:18 Ozlem Kaleli: Yes it is 00:34:24 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: :-) 00:35:33 sam: Group self-management through meditation; mindfulness meditation to become aware of our body. We can heal these symptoms together... 00:35:53 sam: Maybe I am nieve. 00:37:30 sam: Body speaking! Wow; what a concept. Never have I accessed my body before. I'm sorry; I'm simply extatic. 00:37:40 Fiona: It's interesting for me to realise (again) just how body-blind many people are. All these things are so obvious to anyone who has a body-centered professional background. 00:38:09 sam: I am simply average joe. 00:38:35 Ozlem Kaleli: Yes Fiona..particularly when suffering from a chronic symptom. They learn to objectify their body.. 00:38:45 Janine Greenhow: Well, I'm a physio and I wasn't taught any of this. I studied an MA in Dance and Somatic Well-being to realise it. 00:39:16 Fiona: Sadly, it's not approach that is common in physiotherapy training :( 00:39:46 Janine Greenhow: Agreed :) 00:40:33 Fiona: the dog's just being embodied!! 00:40:47 Nikki d: I agree about the dog! 00:40:49 Maria Mountain: :) 00:42:04 Fiona: love this exercise 00:43:04 Paige Speers: broken connections 00:46:53 Paige Speers: can I find a group like this near me? 00:47:33 Ozlem Kaleli: you can conract Helen for this 00:47:37 Fiona: it would also be interesting to have a control group here in which people were able simply to be together, do some simple mindfulness-breathing/ yoga and have a chance to be listened to. I really believe that simply being listened to and heard - really heard - would already reduce the depression & anxiety and symptoms. 00:47:37 Ozlem Kaleli: email here 00:48:03 Ozlem Kaleli: H.L.Payne@herts.ac.uk 00:48:21 sam: Sexy Sam feels fantastic! 00:48:30 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: Does Helen have a website as well? 00:48:33 Fiona: aha - there you go - listening skills! 00:48:41 Ozlem Kaleli: Yes Fiona, they report about 'being seen' by the group and the facilitator. 00:48:56 Nikki d: Fiona, exactly what I was thinking… 00:49:42 Ozlem Kaleli: No current website about this work. You can reach her via email. And her blog about Authentic Movement. https://authenticmovementcirclesblog.wordpress.com 00:49:59 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: Thanks Ozlem 00:50:35 Ozlem Kaleli: An RCT is on the way with a control group..but the control is not meditation..rather thought coure disembodied.. 00:52:07 Ozlem Kaleli: The BodyMind Approach for supporting people with medical unexplained symptoms to self-manage’: Introduction: 15 - 16 February 2019 Follow up: 26, 27 April 2019 https://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/an-introduction-to-the-facilitation-of-the-bodymind-approach-tbma 00:52:17 Fiona: Helen - where is this being trialled/ done in the NHS? 00:52:24 Nikki d: I’m curious who Helen has produced this for - was it necessary as part of the NHS project? 00:52:41 Fiona: Helen - what background does a person have to have to be a facilitator on one of these courses? 00:53:16 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: Is there an online version of the training to provide more accessibility? 00:53:47 sam: It is faThis basic body research can be embodied and shared by any-body. 00:54:11 Nikki d: In other countries wouldn’t all these symptoms be acknowledged as nervous system dysregulation? i.e. they are completely medically explained, just not in the UK…. 00:54:19 Julian Jaffe: Having lived with this for 3 years with my younger son - I can say no GPs or doctors we dealt with were aware of this approach - Surrey UK 00:54:28 Fiona: Helen - dance movement therapy where? Which lineage/ school do you come from? 00:54:41 sam: When will we a central intelligence for our bodily awareness? Might that be possible? 00:54:50 sam: Not dangerous. 00:55:35 Vic: Dance Movement Psychotherapy is incredibly powerful :-) 00:55:58 Fiona: Vic - agree. 00:56:29 Ozlem Kaleli: Some new publications by Helen...The Psycho-neurology of Embodiment with Examples from Authentic Movement and Laban Movemeny Analysis The Psycho-neurology of Embodiment with Examples from Authentic Movement and Laban Movement Analysis The Psycho-neurology of Embodiment with Examples from Authentic Movement and Laban Movement Analysi http://rdcu.be/tjz5 00:56:52 Melissa Chiew: What happens to those participants after completing the sessions? Do they finally receive a diagnosis from any medical doctor? 00:56:54 Nikki d: That’s why I was curious, assuming all this effort in producing stats is simply to satisfy the NHS…when, as Mark says, we know this. It saddens me, and shows how broken our system is in the UK :( 00:57:22 Paige Speers: is BodyMind available outside the UK? 00:57:24 Fiona: Not just the UK 00:57:39 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: Is there an online version? 00:57:47 Marijke Vandekerckhove: EACTLY hELEN8 00:57:49 Nikki d: If we’re truly embodied, we’d be trusting our body intelligence… 00:57:55 Nikki d: we know this works 00:58:33 Ozlem Kaleli: No online version yet unfortunately. Shot Course available at University of Hertfordshire..An online one to be developed. 00:58:45 Jules : I think it’s wonderful that this type of help is now available on the NHS and slowly but surely they are moving to a new way of thinking 00:58:48 Fiona: it's wrong to say that 'anywhere else' this would be 'diagnosed'... i'm in Denmark and am seeing people frequently here who haven't received a diagnosis for their symptoms. One client was even told by her doctor that it was all in her mind and 'go home and have a bottle of wine with your husbanc'. She was in so much pain she couldn't walk or cycle to the clinic. 00:58:48 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: Thanks Ozlem 00:58:49 Marijke Vandekerckhove: it's about make it common. So that the participants can talke about it to someone that doesn't know the symptoms 00:58:57 Fiona: Where in the NHS?? 00:59:00 Nikki d: It just seems like it’s reinventing the wheel when there’s so much scientific research already existing that shows these methods work :) 00:59:00 Fiona: which country 00:59:05 Fiona: sorry country 00:59:08 Fiona: county 00:59:11 Arabella London: UK 00:59:12 Fiona: thank you!! 00:59:17 Melissa Chiew: What happens to those participants after completing the sessions? Do they finally receive a diagnosis from any medical doctor? 00:59:33 Ozlem Kaleli: Short course in UK for now. BUt she is also ravelling to teach. 00:59:39 Ozlem Kaleli: UH link https://www.herts.ac.uk/courses/an-introduction-to-the-facilitation-of-the-bodymind-approach-tbma 00:59:48 Julian Jaffe: outside of the treatment - there could be just that - fascilitators that run experiential classes 01:00:02 Fiona: what background do facilitators have to have to do this work in the NHS? 01:00:02 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: I think the idea of having to have a diagnosis goes away when folks can accept themselves with a sense of kindness. 01:00:09 Ozlem Kaleli: She thoughy in Turkey for instance.. 01:00:30 Ozlem Kaleli: F,ona 01:00:38 Oskar Marchock: Do you have to have any specific qualifications to train as a facilitator? 01:01:10 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: I’d love to hear about how to become a facilitator 01:01:36 Marijke Vandekerckhove: that's why it is so important that the medical world recognize the proces 01:01:54 Ozlem Kaleli: Sorry..Fiona, you do not need to do the work in the NHS. But you can email Helen to have information for NHS assigned work. I am trained as a facilitator and apply TBMA in a coaching context right now with people with MUS. 01:02:05 Ozlem Kaleli: Here it comes.. 01:02:12 Arabella London: professional qualification in health delivery of some kind 01:02:13 Fiona: please ask Helen what background in NHS 01:02:26 Arabella London: please could you clarify your question Fiona? 01:02:36 Oskar Marchock: Thanks Helen 01:02:47 Fiona: I've already asked above - if you do want to work in the NHS what is the req'd background? 01:02:50 Anne: Hi Fiona - NHS means National Health System (UK) 01:03:00 Fiona: I know - I'm british!! 01:03:23 Jules : what about social work 01:03:55 Vic: YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 01:04:01 Jules : do you have an thoughts on why this works for some and nog others ?? 01:04:36 Fiona: IWhat is your background in Dance Psychotherapy? Which 'lineage'? 01:05:40 Nikki d: that’s the best way often :) 01:05:51 Fiona: thank you!! :) A true pioneer... 01:06:10 Fiona: saturday night fever!! 01:07:01 inezderijcker: Didn’t hear the whole training but sounds very interesting! 01:08:24 Julian Jaffe: do you get facilitators developing out of being partcipants? 01:10:20 Jules : fascinating and thank you for what you are doing 01:10:23 Melissa Chiew: THANK YOU HELEN!! 01:10:24 Kristy Arbon HeartWorks: Thanks so much Helen. Great work! 01:10:26 Oskar Marchock: Thank you for your work Helen 01:10:27 Mäks Roßmöller: thank you so much for your presentation <3 <3 01:10:35 Anne: Thank you so much - Inspiring! 01:10:38 Marijke Vandekerckhove: thank you Helen. Keep on with this work. It works 01:10:39 Corina: Thank you Helen-I’m glad this work can reach those who need it :) 01:10:40 Nikki d: thank you Helen for what you’re doing, particularly bringing this valuable work into the NHS 01:10:46 Kati R: thank you so much for all your work and insides 01:10:56 DaveOshana.com: Thank you for the groundbreaking research 01:11:01 Kati R: yes 01:11:07 Jules : here here 01:11:15 Fiona: thank you Helen... 01:11:16 Vic: Keep trail blazing Helen 01:11:19 Julian Jaffe: helen lovely to hear about this - very positive! 01:11:23 Reini Weigel: thank you for this talk and doing the researchers 01:12:43 Ozlem Kaleli: Embodiment podcast with Mark https://embodiedfacilitator.com/105-evidence-based-embodiment-with-helen-payne/ TEDx Talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BagKj5Zsc9k BBC website; When mental health gets physical http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-43058019 01:12:57 Daphne: is there 01:13:18 Helen Payne: thanks to every BODY for all your positive commentsi hope to meet you on one of our courses in TBMA!